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Best way from Germany to Portugal and back (Without spending too much on reservations)

  • February 26, 2026
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I have mostly avoided travelling through france and spain because of all the mandatory reservations, but at some point it makes sense to also visit spain and portugal atleast once despite the annoying reservations. (I am considering doing it this year if i dont find someone to travel another route together)

Starting in Germany(direct ICE to Paris) or Switzerland i plan to travel via France and Spain to Portugal and then back to Paris (maybe travelling to the uk before returning, so i have atleast one country that has easy travel with an interrail pass).

Whats the best way to get to portugal and back with some interesting stops in Spain, without spending so much on mandatory reservations. Especially the reservation for international trains seem quite expensive.(France to spain) And spanish trains seem hard to reserve (online) without paying booking fees on top of the reservation cost. I dont necessarily need the fastest route. ( I am crazy enough to do Zürich to Siracusa (sizily) in 1 travel day despite taking the detour via the Berninaroute (St. Moritz))

Any tips?

Best answer by rvdborgt

From Switzerland, you can use a TER from Geneva to Lyon and then the daily AVE to Barcelona. The AVE is only €10 or €13 in 1st class, which is cheap compared to the SNCF TGVs to Barcelona.

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  • Full steam ahead
  • February 26, 2026

​@Marvin Heer You can find information here:

https://www.seat61.com/Portugal.htm


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  • Railly clever
  • February 26, 2026

Looks like maybe normal tickets are a better idea for that route. But for this year i already got my interrail tickets (15days in 2 months + 10days in 2 months). In that case maybe a better idea to do it next year (or until i dont qualify for the youth pass anymore). Although for uk interrail would be worth it. Maybe i will combine that with something else.


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  • February 26, 2026

The Intercity map of France might be useful. You don’t need reservations on the green routes 

https://www.sncf-voyageurs.com/medias-publics/2025-01/intercites-carte-destinations-2025.pdf

You can cross into Spain at Latour de Carol or Cerbère on regional trains, or the Euskotren (paid, but cheap) in the Basque Country. However the AVE International from Avignon will get you all the way to Madrid with a very reasonable reservation cost. 

Within Spain, it’s harder


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  • February 26, 2026

From Switzerland, you can use a TER from Geneva to Lyon and then the daily AVE to Barcelona. The AVE is only €10 or €13 in 1st class, which is cheap compared to the SNCF TGVs to Barcelona.


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  • Railly clever
  • February 26, 2026

From Switzerland, you can use a TER from Geneva to Lyon and then the daily AVE to Barcelona. The AVE is only €10 or €13 in 1st class, which is cheap compared to the SNCF TGVs to Barcelona.

That seems like a cheaper option then going via Paris. 10€ is pretty reasonable(cheaper then expected to get to spain) . And i like doing a short visit to switzerland. Will take a look at that option. (Via Paris would have been 52€)

I did not know that the International AVE was so much cheaper.

And the highspeed reservations in spain are atleast 10€ or less. What is the best way to book seat reservations for trains in spain, now that raileurope also charges 2€ booking fee/reservation.

 


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  • February 26, 2026

AFAIK there are 3 websites where you can book pass reservations: Interrail/Eurail, Rail Europe and Happyrail. They all have a €2 booking fee, but Happyrail also has a payment fee up to 3.5% for certain payment methods, which I'm quite sure is illegal for at least Visa and Mastercard. (You can report them here. The more reports, the better.)


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  • Railly clever
  • February 27, 2026

AFAIK there are 3 websites where you can book pass reservations: Interrail/Eurail, Rail Europe and Happyrail. They all have a €2 booking fee, but Happyrail also has a payment fee up to 3.5% for certain payment methods, which I'm quite sure is illegal for at least Visa and Mastercard. (You can report them here. The more reports, the better.)

If you want to save the booking fees for the reservations in Spain, there is still the old-fashioned way to visit a DB ticket office. AFAIK they’re still able to do all the reservations (except the international AVE). They should even be able to issue the free Vigo-Porto reservation if you travel on that route.

Vigo can be reached directly from Madrid (AVE, 10€) or Barcelona (Alvia, on some days, 6.50€, veeery long journey)

You just need to be lucky enough to get someone who is experienced with the DB booking system.


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  • February 27, 2026

DB can indeed still issue Renfe reservations. Not sure though if the free reservations are indeed free of charge. I did notice that Avant reservations are sometimes too expensive: €6.50 or even €10 instead of €4, but I've also seen that on Happyrail, so it may be a problem in Hermes or in the Renfe data.


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  • Railly clever
  • February 27, 2026

AFAIK there are 3 websites where you can book pass reservations: Interrail/Eurail, Rail Europe and Happyrail. They all have a €2 booking fee, but Happyrail also has a payment fee up to 3.5% for certain payment methods, which I'm quite sure is illegal for at least Visa and Mastercard. (You can report them here. The more reports, the better.)

If you want to save the booking fees for the reservations in Spain, there is still the old-fashioned way to visit a DB ticket office. AFAIK they’re still able to do all the reservations (except the international AVE). They should even be able to issue the free Vigo-Porto reservation if you travel on that route.

Vigo can be reached directly from Madrid (AVE, 10€) or Barcelona (Alvia, on some days, 6.50€, veeery long journey)

You just need to be lucky enough to get someone who is experienced with the DB booking system.

From my experience with DB Reisezentrum it depends on the person you get. I have  managed to book a sleeper from Budapest to Bukarest once or a reservation foran italian ic before. But other times i was firsttold i was to early and once the booking window arrived they told me they cant reserve the train i asked a couple weeks before. But worth a try if i have some spare time at the station. 

Thank you for your help.


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  • Railly clever
  • March 1, 2026

DB can indeed still issue Renfe reservations. Not sure though if the free reservations are indeed free of charge. I did notice that Avant reservations are sometimes too expensive: €6.50 or even €10 instead of €4, but I've also seen that on Happyrail, so it may be a problem in Hermes or in the Renfe data.

The one to Porto was actually free. However DB charged 4€ for the Regional/Regional Expres trains with mandatory reservations while Happyrail only charge their booking fee.

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