Sweden, SJ night train: 1st class sleeper with 2nd class pass?

I think not. It work only like NightJet, where ÖBB considers all comforts like 2. Class. Absolutely not fair for the Interrail 1. th class-owners, thay are paying double for the same prestations (€ 20 extra for using De-Luxe and extra because a 1. class pass is more-expensive than a 2. class pass).

It would be fairer, if the 1 class pass-owners should pay not extra for De-Luxe, (or if De-Luxe is fully-booked they should be set free of paying the € 13.70-19,90-fee which ÖBB ask extra for using the NightJet).

The same with some seat-reservations:

DB asks more for a 1. class seat, Thalys, Eurostar and SJ do it so and for travelling on international- connections like Innsbruck-Italy, Zürich-Italy and TGV France-Germany/Switzerland compulsory seat-reservations are for the 1. class more-expensive than in 2. class. Why do they have pay double? They have already paid more for the pass, haven’t they?!

Much as we all object to these inconsistencies and at times expensive fees, we do know this if we do our research, including joining the community. So in the old world we would simply say Caveat Empor or buyer beware.

Maybe one day some of these niggles will be addressed, but until then I don’t doubt we will continue to highlight them to the Newbies so they are at least aware of the rules and fees.

Thank you for answering the doubt I had after comparing the prices on sj.se.

However, trying to sell a booking that is not valid with the pass the customer has entered in the booking system is basically a scam… 👎shame on you, SJ.

There is no way for SJ, or any other railway company, to know which type of pass the traveller has. It is the responsibility of the traveller to purchase a reservation in the correct class. 

Shame on the Eurail organization, then.

And still to SJ for not disclosing it clearly in the booking page.

I'm not sure why Eurail would be to blame here.

The operator could ask you to specify what the class of your pass is, and then only present the options you can book with that class. Some do that, most don't.

Because they don’t seem to facilitate the selection of a correct booking. And I’m surprised they don’t have the info since they ask for the pass number, but OK. Thank you two for the replies.

However, at least SJ offers all the options, which is not the case for other platforms in other countries.

I wasn’t sure of that rule for SJ before since the previous tests I made for another trip were on raileurope or italiarail, which ask for your pass class beforehand, and Caledonian Sleeper which details the rule on their “room supplements” page.

Indeed the interrail website details the rule, but it also pretends reservation is mandatory in the UK while it is not… sorry for the off-topic digression.

Anyway, back to SJ :
Is it possible to book (two) private second-class (3-berth) sleeper compartments with the pass, or will we fall back on the standard fare without the pass ?

I’m not sure yet if there will be 4 or 5 of us and don’t have the pass codes from everyone, so I could just try a dummy booking with one person and the SJ site only says “with interrail” for the bed in shared compartment (in 2nd class).

Since the mobile pass number is linked to a class, it should be possible to send that information. However, it’s then up to the operators to use it. I can't test it because I don't have 2nd class pass numbers.

Just curious: where don't you see all options?

That's because some of the UK operators send incorrect data.

For which night train route is this?

SJ doesn't have an Interrail price for private compartments so you need to book a bed in a shared compartment to get the Interrail price. 

Domestic SJ night trains sleepers have 3 beds in a compartment. SJ Euronight has 2 beds in the sleeper compartments. 

Well, on SJ day and night trains if offers the discount in both classes for me.

train #2, Malmö - Stockholm.

And for shared compartments you need to select “men” or “women”, so we will need to separate the booking into 2 + 2 or3 people - or use the full fare for private compartment and save a travel day.

Just curious: where don't you see all options?

When looking about Italian night trains, I think italiarail offered only the single(private compartment) relax sleeper (and why is it the same price for with or without shower ?) while other sites were giving only shared compartments. In the end I would have taken the normal fare from Trenitalia which was very close to the interrail private price.

There, a private compartment is only available for 1st ​@AnnaB, SJ does offer them, but not in 2nd class.

Correct. Note that if you get an entire 3-person compartment, then you can mix genders.

The pass reservation for a single can indeed be more expensive than a (Super)economy fare. The compartments with a shower are more expensive and can't be booked with a pass anymore. Singles can also be booked on raileurope.com and interrail.eu.

Italiarail indeed doesn't seem to offer singles. I don't expect them to fix their pass reservation website however. Their prices are outdated on the overview screen, they still try to sell pass reservations for compartments with wc/shower and half of the trains from/to Sicily are not shown as through trains. When I asked them about the latter, they said they don't offer pass reservations anymore, so won't be fixing it.